The Religious Affiliation of Comic Book Character
Marc Spector, known as the superhero "Moon Knight", is one of the most overtly religious super-heroes in the Marvel Universe. Marc Spector's father was a Jewish rabbi, but Spector does not practice Judaism. He is a convert to a unique form of ancient Egyptian classical religion centering on the moon god Khonshu.
Moon Knight's powers are explicitly derived from Khonshu, an ancient Egyptian god. Moon Knight has generally (but not always) been portrayed as having a strong belief that Khonshu is the source of his powers a strong belief that he has a responsibility to serve Khonshu.
Marc Spector's relationship to Khonshu and the ancient Egpytian gods has varied widely over the years. At times he has clearly dedicated his life to the service of Khonshu and has been depicted as an adherent of an ancient Egyptian religion. At other times Spector has distanced himself from his calling as a servant of Khonshu. Sometimes he Spector has sought to live a "normal" life, abandoning his activities as a costumed adventurer, and at other times he has continued to be "Moon Knight," but has done so with little direct connection to Khonshu and Egyptian gods.
It is interesting to contrast Moon Knight with two better-known DC superheroes who are believers in ancient Egyptian religion: Hawkman and Hawkgirl. The history and religious beliefs of Hawkman and Hawkgirl has generally been portrayed as being directly tied to ancient Egypt. Unlike Moon Knight, however, Hawkman and Hawkgirl have rarely been portrayed as having powers which are derived from the ancient Egyptian gods. Hawkman has clear memories of his many past lives and rarely if ever questions the validity of his religious beliefs in reincarnation and an afterlife. Moon Knight is clearly more ambivalent about his connection to ancient Egyptian religion.
The extent to which Marc Spector's connection to Khonshu is voluntary versus thrust upon him is debatable. At times, Spector expresses humble devotion to Khonshu and seems positively joyful at the opportunity to serve his god. But sometimes, when Moon Knight's calling as the fist of Khonshu has caused him great pain and turmoil, Spector has tried to abandon his devotion to Khonshu. Such attempts to abandon Khonshu have never been successful or permanent. Is this because Marc Spector's beliefs in Khonshu are so strong that he can not bring himself to forget his god, or is because Khonshu is actively intervening in the life of his chosen servant?
When the character received a critically acclaimed revival written by David Finch in mid-2006 with a new series, Moon Knight was portrayed as a man who regarded his role as a costumed hero as a religious calling. In explaining why he wore a white costume when he operated mostly at night, Moon Knight explained that he would no sooner abandon his costume (which is based his god's robes) than a priest would abandon his vestments. At a low point with his legs crushed and his life in disarray as this new series began, Marc Spector both called out fervently to Khonshu and also railed against his god.
The devotion that Marc Spector has shown to his adopted faith and to the Egyptian god Khonshu, and to his Khonshu statue specifically, has often been difficult for his close friends to understand. Unlike most religious super-heroes who count friends, family members, and fellow congregation members as adherents of the same religious group, Moon Knight is essentially alone in his beliefs. Only rarely has he met fellow worshippers of Khonshu, and none of them are in his immediate circle of acquaintenances.
The 2006 Moon Knight series delves deeply into religious themes surrounding the character. This portrayal leaves open the possibility that Marc Spector's relationship to Khonshu is an imagined one. If Khonshu is entirely imaginary, it would mean that Moon Knight has among the strongest beliefs known among Marvel superheroes, because he has in the past genuinely displayed superhuman strength and athletic abilities, as well as some resistance to psychic assaults, as a result of Khonshu empowering him.
Spector has even died and been resurrected by Khonshu on more than one occasion. If the mysterious god Khonshu did not bring Spector back to life, did Spector revive himself, using only the strength of his beliefs in an imagined god? Possibly. An alternative interpretation might suggest that Spector has in the past received new life and power directly from Khonshu, but that Khonshu has for some reason abandoned him, and though Spector continues to talk to and serve Khonshu, this god is no longer listening.
Moon Knight's oft-neglected Jewish background
When Marc Spector was first created, he was not envisioned as a Jewish character. Later writers thought his name "sounded Jewish," and subsequently introduced a Jewish childhood for the character. Moon Knight #37 provides details about Marc Spector's Jewish religious background. As an adult, Marc Spector is not known to have been an observant Jew in any meaningful religious sense.
Chuck Dixon is a popular and influential comic book writer who has written many of the DC Comics' stories about Batman and other Gotham-basesd characters, including Nightwing. On a page posted on his official website, Dixon has reproduced a somewhat lengthy question about Christianity in comics, along with his response to it. From Chuck Dixon, "Christianity in Comics" page on DixonVerse.net website (http://www.dixonverse.net/NEWSITE/ARTICLES/christ.html; viewed 5 May 2007):
I find it peculiar that the idea of comic book heroes being Christians is "controversial". How many of our heroes are Buddhists or Druids or some other world religion and never raise an eyebrow? Maybe Christianity is too close to home and we want our heroes to have a more exotic belief system?
When I wrote Moon Knight over at Marvel I wanted to explore the fact that Marc Spector was Jewish. I was uncomfortable with the fact that a Jew wielded a power born of Egyptian myth. I wanted to deal with this in a storyline. My editor told me to ignore that aspect of his personality. And I was told this by an editor who is a Jew. Is there something in the mind of comics fandom and professionals that finds religion repugnant? Or are they simply avoiding the familiar?
Marvel Comics editor-in-chief Joe Quesada identified Moon Knight as an important Jewish character in Marvel Comics. From: "New Joe Fridays Week 28", published December 2006 on Newsarama.com (http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays28.html; viewed 8 June 2007):
RQ: ted_dahlman [question]: I can only think of three Marvel characters who are practicing Jews (Thing, Shadowcat, and presumably Sabra), two who are practicing Christians (Nightcrawler and Firebird, both Catholic), along with a few Muslim heroes who have figured into minor roles in several stories, and the thousands of "mutant-hating bigots" who have shown up dressed in clerical garb.
JQ [Joe Quesada, editor-in-chief of Marvel Comics]: Hey there, ted_dahlman. Marc Spector, Doc Samson, and Magneto are also practicing Jews and don't forget Matt Murdock is a practicing Catholic. I know there's more, but I just thought I'd mention these four as they seem like important ones to include.
[EDITOR: Joe Quesada here is answering a spur-of-the-moment question. Marc Spector ("Moon Knight") and Magneto quickly came to his mind as Jewish characters and he mentioned them, echoing the questioner's language by using the term "practicing Jews." Of course Joe Quesada is not actually trying to say that Magneto and Moon Knight are "practicing" or observant Jews. He simply meant to mention them as important Jewish characters.]
Moon Knight was one of 33 characters who were identified as the most religious superheroes in the Marvel Universe in Infinity Crusade (June 1993). In this issue, a powerful being who identified herself as "the Goddess" kidnapped the superheroes she had identified as being the most religious active superheroes at the time. The Goddess was a manifestation of the "benevolent" side of Adam Warlock, and she planned to use these heroes in her crusade to rid the galaxy of evil and usher in a new golden age of peace. After these 33 characters had been kidnapped by the Goddess, the remaining superheroes gathered to try to figure out what was going on. The Vision analyzed data about who had been taken and who had not, and explained his analysis (Infinity Crusade #1, page 32):
Now that the appropriate files have been examined I believe I have sufficient hard data to put forth that theory I mentioned earlier. I feel confident I know why these particular paranormals were abducted. All the missing share a common trait or experience... An event or attitude that might be categorized as religious. Many among the missing hold deeply felt moral stands or intense spiritual belief systems. Those who do not fit that profile have all had after-death experiences... My theory does not hold that these attitudes aided in the missing individual's abduction, only that these traits may have determined who would be taken.
From: "Moon Knight" article on Wikipedia.com (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_Knight; viewed 25 December 2005):
Moon Knight is a fictional character, an Egyptian-themed comic book superhero owned and published by Marvel Comics. The character was created by Doug Moench and Don Perlin in Werewolf by Night (v1) #32 (August 1975), and has starred in two eponymous ongoing series and several miniseries.
Origin Moon Knight was originally Marc Spector, an American rabbi's wayward son who had become a mercenary. As a mercenary he became a skilled combatant, and befriended the French pilot Jean-Paul DuChamp, who he came to call "Frenchie". While the pair were working for the African mercenary Raoul Bushman in Egypt, he stumbled upon an archaeological dig whose crew included Dr. Peter Alraune and his daughter Marlene. The dig had uncovered an ancient temple whose artifacts included a statue of the Egyptian god Khonshu. Bushman stated his intent to loot the dig; this provoked Dr. Alraune to attack Bushman, a decision that cost him his life. In response to Alraune's murder, Spector challenged Bushman to personal combat; he was beaten nearly to death and left to die in the sub-zero temperatures of the desert night.
Spector was found by nearby Egyptians who worshipped the ancient Egyptian gods and was carried to their temple. His heart stopped, but he did not die. Khonshu appeared to him in a vision, offering Spector his life if he would serve the god on Earth. Spector was returned to life in a haze. He concealed himself within the silver shroud that covered Khonshu's statue and again confronted Bushman. He defeated Bushman and returned to America with Marlene Alraune, Frenchie, and the statue of Khonshu that had seemingly empowered him. With no further communication from Khonshu, he determined that he had hallucinated the encounter; nevertheless, he decided to become a crimefighter. He created a silver cloaked costume, based on the appearance of the shroud he had worn while battling Bushman, and became the Moon Knight...
[Eventually] the stress of maintaining four separate identities began to take its toll on his psyche. Marlene convinced him to retire the Grant and Lockley aliases, to sell the statue of Khonshu, and to retire as Moon Knight.
However, he was soon telepathically summoned to Egypt by the cult of Khonshu who had saved his life. They gave him a small arsenal of moon-themed projectile weaponry, such as throwing discs and crescent-shaped blades, originally designed by Hawkeye during a jaunt to ancient Egypt. Khonshu himself then appeared to Spector and entered his body, giving him superhuman strength which waxed and waned with the phases of the moon. As the direct agent of Khonshu he recovered the statute of Khonshu and joined the West Coast Avengers, but at the cost of alienating Marlene and Frenchie. Khonshu was eventually forcibly expelled from his body by Daimon Hellstrom. Reuniting with his friends, Moon Knight began his career of adventuring anew. He died in battle, only to be once again resurrected by the statue of Khonshu...
A new Moon Knight mini-series will be launched in February 2006 by David Finch and Charlie Huston. It is set to explore the psyche of this character with three alternate personas and a connection to an Egyptian deity that may or may not be imagined.
From: Steven M. Bergson, "Jewish Comics: A Select Bibliography" last updated 28 June 2005 (http://www.geocities.com/safran-can/JWISHC.HTM; viewed 23 December 2005):
Zelenetz, Alan. "Final Rest" Moon Knight (1st series) #38 July 1984 (NY: Marvel).
Zelenetz, Alan. "Red Sins" Moon Knight (1st series) #37 May 1984 (NY: Marvel).
The supehero Moon Knight returns to Chicago when he learns his father is dying, but only arrives in time for his funeral. Moon Knight explains to his girlfriend how his father (who is a rabbi) had disapproved of his boxing, leading to his leaving home and joining the marines. While in New York, Moon Knight beats up a group of racists who had torched a synagogue. Moon Knight had saved a Jewish man who went into the burning synagogue to try to save a Torah scroll [this scene mirrors one in Supergirl #13}. Later, Moon Knight discovers that his father's body has been removed from his grave.
Excerpts from: "Are Superheroes Religious?" forum page, started 13 May 2004, in "The John Byrne Forum" section of the Byrne Robotics website (http://jb.24-7intouch.com/forum/get_topic.asp?FID=3&TID=558&DIR=P; viewed 9 January 2006):
13 May 2004
Yes... Kitty's always been Jewish. More Jewish folks... Doc Samson, Moon Knight, Volcana, Sasquatch, The Thing, Songbird... Sabra
From: "List of Superhero Religions" discussion board, started 14 March 2006 (http://s8.invisionfree.com/Superdickery_Forum/ar/t2607_0.htm; viewed 24 April 2006):
ROBRAM89 - March 14, 2006 04:19 AM (GMT)
Have at it. [link to: "Religious Affiliation of Comic Book Characters" page at: http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/comic_book_religion.html]
I love how Moon Knight is both Egyptian and Jewish.
jbrecken - March 14, 2006 05:27 AM (GMT)
Could he build himself a pyramid?
Air Bud - March 14, 2006 05:35 AM (GMT)
No, he'd demand himself to let himself go.
From: "Religion in comic books" discussion forum started on 24 April 2006, on DC Comics official message board website (http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000072787&tstart=0; viewed 1 May 2006):
Posted: Apr 25, 2006 4:59 AM
Slight hijack, but it's my understanding that Moon Knight's creators didn't intend for their character to be Jewish. They had the idea pretty much ready to go, except they needed a cool name for his secret identity; they thought of a guy they knew and realized, damn, "Marc Spector" sounds terrific. I mean, that's a great name. It's practically a superhero name by itself.
Years go by, the character gets his own title, they bump into the real Marc Spector -- and they ask him, hey, what kind of a name is 'Spector', anyway?
Uh, it's Jewish, he says.
Whoops, they think; we've never had our hero so much as mention it, which would be odd. They're intrigued, think it over, and decide, okay, how about if he's a non-practicing Jew who had a falling out with his disappointed rabbi father and really doesn't like to talk about it?
And thus, by accident, becomes the first Jewish superhero, IIRC.
From: "Wasn't Superman Supposed to be Jewish?" discussion board started 24 April 2006 on the official DC Comics website (http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread. jspa?threadID=2000073412&start=30&tstart=0; viewed 27 May 2006):
Posted: May 10, 2006 3:24 PM
Over at Marvel, Ben Grimm turns out to be Jewish, as does Marc Spector (Moonknight)...
From: "Passover Wave! Ragman and--?" message board started 13 April 2006 on official DC Comics website (http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?forumID=29209087&threadID=2000071426; viewed 1 June 2006):
Posted: Apr 13, 2006 10:54 AM
...Marvel wise, Kitty Pryde, the Thing, Doc Samson, Moon Knight and Vance Astro/Justice are all Jewish...
Posted: Apr 13, 2006 5:03 PM
...Moon Knight's a Jew? Dressed in THAT Klan outfit?
[The poster here is making a reference to the Ku Klux Klan. This group, which thrived primarily in the mid-to-late 1800s and the early 1900s was founded primarily led by Southern Baptists, and targeted primarily African-Americans in their original 19th Century incarnation, and boosted their efforts to target Jews and Mormons in the early 20th Century.]
Posted: Apr 13, 2006 9:15 PM
So far my League of [Jewish Superheroes] is as follows:
...Moon Knight ... Again -- WHAT'S WITH THE KLAN ROBES??? Self-loathing Jew.
[Seven other Jewish super-heroes listed, with comments about each.]
From: "Religious Inclinations of heroes" message board, started 1 March 2005 on StarDestroyer.net website (http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=63632&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25; viewed 8 June 2006):
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:38 pm
Post subject: Religious Inclinations of heroes
What about other heroes? I notice religion rarely plays a part in mainstream superhero comics (absent things like the Vertigo line) but have you ever picked up on hints or outright admissions by some heroes as to their religious inclinations?
Seems that atheistic heroes are as rare in comics as in real life. If they are religious it's a sort Judaeo-Christian wishy washy sort of religion... Any other examples of guesses?
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:01 am
...Moon Knight, Sandman, and Nuklon are all Jewish by heritage though (IIRC) non-practicing...
From: "Religious Beliefs of Marvel Characters" discussion board started 20 October 2004 on Comic-Forum.com website (http://www.comic-forum.com/marvel/Religious_beliefs_of_Marvel_characters_397905.html; viewed 8 June 2006):
Date: 20 Oct 2004 21:55:56
Subject: Religious beliefs of Marvel characters?
Does anybody know the religious beliefs of various characters?
Date: 20 Oct 2004 23:16:20
From: Samy Merchi
Barring any actual solid evidence in the characters' own books, you could always fall back on the Infinity Crusade and see which sides the characters were on in that conflict. Anybody feel like whipping those issues out and checking these specific characters?
Date: 21 Oct 2004 03:52:34
From: The Black Guardian
Anyway, here's the list of those who "faithfully served" the Goddess: Captain America, Jamie Madrox the Multiple Man, Jean Grey, Namorita, Silhouette, Spider-Man, Puck, Archangel, the Inhuman Crystal, Firelord, Hercules, Shaman, Talisman, Moondragon, Quicksilver, the Scarlet Witch, the Silver Surfer, Sersi, the Living Lightning, Thor, the Invisible Woman, USAgent, Moon Knight, Wolfsbane, Doctor Strange, Wonder Man, Daredevil, the Black Knight, Windshear, Sasquatch, Storm, Gamora, Sleepwalker.
IIRC, even if you read the crossover, it's still pretty vague in what religions the heroes believed.
Date: 21 Oct 2004 03:57:48
From: Samy Merchi
In many cases, it [Infinity Crusade] is the strongest canonical reference to many of the characters' religious stance. Some lucky ones have been dealt with at more depth in their own books (DD, Rahne, Storm et al.) but for many characters Infinity Crusade is the biggest canonical reference. If we want to go by canon rather than sheer postulation.
From: "The religions of comic book characters" thread started 10 February 2001 on rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe newsgroup (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe/browse_thread/thread/13590fda80c5d6e1/e5e0b094ced80f0b; viewed 12 June 2006):
From: Terry McCombs
Date: Sat, Feb 10 2001 6:35 pm
For the most part you don't get much of an idea as to the private lives of most comic book characters. Marvelish soap opera not withstanding.
What I mean is you don't get much of an idea what their politics or religion might be. This is sensible enough I guess as they don't want to offend any of their customers... for the most part you just can't really say just what, if any religion or personal philosophy that or that comic character might follow.
What do you think?
Date: Sun, Feb 11 2001 6:05 am
...As far as Marvel is concerned, there are a few characters where you do: ...Moon Knight's father was later revealed to have been a Rabbi...
From: "Atheist representation on the Avengers" forum discussion started 20 June 2001 on "Comic Boards" website (http://www.comicboards.com/avengers/view.php?trd=010620110715; viewed 24 May 2007):
Posted by D-Man on Wednesday, June 20 2001 at 20:10:53 GMT
...Probably the best comic you could find to figure out who believes in a god or a god, or have deep faith in God or a god would be:
The Goddess uses the heroes' faith and belief in gods and such to recruit heroes.
Here are a list of Avengers who are "believers" so are recruited by the Goddess:
Posted by Taxman on Wednesday, June 20 2001 at 14:17:36 GMT
I just dug up some back issues of "Infinity Crusade"...
...I think that it is pretty safe to assume that none of the Crusaders [i.e., people chosen by the Goddess] are atheists...
From: "Religious Characters In Marvel" forum discussion started 15 September 2006 on "Comic Book Resources" website (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/archive/index.php/t-143850.html; viewed 25 May 2007):
09-15-2006, 09:01 PM
The other day I was thinking about religion and comic books... What I'm interested in is the way religious characters are portrayed in comic books...
I think the first step is listing what characters are what religion...
[Editor: The person posting the following message seems to think that an unusually large number of characters are Jewish:]
09-15-2006, 09:44 PM
Mags is actually a born Jewish who was raised by gypsies in his youth.
His kids, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are gypsy.
Dr. Doom is of course, gypsy.
Moon Knight is a former Jew who now practices worship in the Egyptian deity Khonshu.
Thing is Marvel's #1 Jew obviously (he had his bar mitzvah not too long ago).
Wolverine was probably raised Catholic or maybe somewhat like a Puritan. I got the gist of it in Origin.
Spider-Man should be Jewish if anything... Also, he did get married in a church, which kinda goes against this, though it may have just been Mary Jane's faith.
I also consider Juggernaut as Jewish since saying "the Jewggernaut" is really funny. Also, thinking of such a big guy being mortally afraid of his mother is even funnier.
Cable is Askani. At least I think it's a faith...
From: "Is Spider-Man Jewish?" forum discussion started 15 January 2007 on "Comic Book Resources" website (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/archive/index.php/t-160187.html; viewed 28 May 2007):
01-16-2007, 05:14 PM
Spidey is not Jewish that I'm aware of. Never knew the Thing was Jewish or Moonknight for that matter.
01-16-2007, 05:48 PM
Moon Knight is a follower of Khonshu. Or do you mean his ancestral heritage? His dad was a Rabbi.
From: "Jewish Heroes or Villians in Marvel Universe?" forum discussion, started 12 December 2005 on "Comic Book Resources" website (http://www.xmenindex.com/forums/comicbooks/t-97146.html; viewed 31 May 2007):
12-12-2005, 05:50 AM
Reading the " Black Panther thread" got me thinking. Are there any Jewish heroes or villians in the Marvel Universe?
12-12-2005, 06:28 AM
...A few others I thought of:
Sasquatch (Walter Lagkowski) of Alpha Flight
12-13-2005, 05:07 AM
...That's a pretty impressive list. I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the rabbi's son, Moon Knight...
12-24-2005, 05:46 AM
Moon Knight/Marc Spector is Jewish, I don't know if Steven Grant and Jake Lockley are. LOL [Editor: this poster is referring to two fake identities used by Spector]
01-30-2006, 10:09 AM
It just occurred to me that two Jewish characters have their own books -- the Thing and Doc Samson. Now granted, Doc Samson is only a limited series and the Thing is about to be cancelled, that's still never happened before. Now if they get out the Moon Knight book quick enough, that would make three.
02-01-2006, 05:05 AM
re: I have a feeling that there are more Jewish, or those who have Jewish characters in the Marvel Universe.
Moon Knight -- his father was a rabbi...
No Jewish character has ever been shown to be devout, certainly not a super hero.
02-01-2006, 07:48 PM
Magneto is Gypsy. I've been reading comics since I was a kid and he's always been a Gypsy. Only in recent years they tried to retcon it, particularly with the movie.
Doc. Samson, Peter Parker, Ben Grimm and Moon Knight are not Jewish either. Stop pushing what you wish would be...
02-01-2006, 08:52 PM
Well, you are totally incorrect. Magneto has been back and forth since long before the movie, Ben Grimm is absolutely, in the comics, without question Jewish. Moon Knight I could agree with you, it is a matter of semantics. Jewish can mean of a Jewish family, or of the Jewish faith, and Moon Knight, while not a practicing Jew, is the son of a Rabbi. Peter David penned a story in a Marvel Holiday Special where Leonard Samson came to a Hebrew School to tell the story of Hanukkah to a class. In what way are posters pushing anything? These are established and in continuity examples, and there is no disputing it that Samson, Grimm and in one sense, Moon Knight are all Jewish, and I have no agenda to create any Jewish characters more than any other type of religious affiliation. If anything, I'm a pantheist, I would want more pantheist characters.
02-01-2006, 09:30 PM
Yeah, as seen by the poster above, Grimm, Samson and Moon Knight are all Jewish in continuity, no question about it, Magneto has been boucing back and forth long before the movie too, maybe you should do some research before you jump on people for just stating the truth.
02-02-2006, 04:46 AM
Magneto is Gypsy... Doc. Samson, Peter Parker, Ben Grimm and Moon Knight are not Jewish either. Stop pushing what you wish would be...
I guess you don't read many comics, do you.
Doc Samson was explicitly stated to be Jewish. He once spoke at his alma mater, a yeshiva (Jewish day school).
Ben Grimm was explicitly stated to be Jewish. It was written up in all of the Jewish newspapers.
Moon Knight was explicitly stated to be Jewish. His father is a rabbi.
Peter Parker is not Jewish, to the best of my knowledge. I've seen nothing to suggest that he is.
Nobody's pushing what they wish would be.
02-03-2006, 12:02 AM
I think Samson being jewish would be pretty neat actually. It would make sense.
But Magneto I'm 100% sure he's not. Ben Grimm is a matter of "view him how you like" considering that Stan and Jack thought of him as such but never particularly adressed it. I like the Thing-Golem comparison (like in the Doc Samson case it's a nice continuity if you will).
As for Moon Knight, I always thought there was something Arabic, maybe Egyptian with him. Didn't he used to wear Egyptian-like garments and weapons?
02-06-2006, 06:19 PM
re: Stop pushing what you wish would be...
...As for Doc Samson, for gosh sakes, of course he's Jewish. And Moonknight...
02-06-2006, 08:05 PM
Moon Knight is Jewish and btw [by the way] Magneto is Jewish. He was in a concentration camp in a lot of X-men comics...
02-07-2006, 04:52 AM
re: As for Doc Samson, for gosh sakes, of course he's Jewish.
I don't seem to remember that from those Stan Lee-Herb Trimpe stories. I just remember a scientist and machine and he getting bombarded by Gamma Rays.
re: And Moonknight.
Was this from the Doug Moech stories?
I just think people should see their favorite characters the way they want. It's like if they would start identifying Hawkeye as Irish and then Joe Q would say: "Yes, Clint is Irish! His creator wanted him that way!". The answer from fans would be: "Who the heck cares about what you think".
02-07-2006, 05:27 AM
All right, here's my view:
...It has also been revealed that Moon Knight is Jewish. His father is a rabbi. I don't belive it was revealed during the Doug Moench issues, but, as far as I know, Doug Moench's issues are not any more canon than those of any other writer. Before he was revealed as Jewish, nothing was ever said about his religion, so it doesn't conflict with anything said earlier.
I don't think anyone is seeing anybody just as they want. Only Magneto is questionable. (I don't think anybody REALLY thinks that Peter Parker is Jewish.) Clearly, if it says in a comic book that a character is Jewish, then he or she is Jewish. Is there a problem with that?
From: "Religion of Comic Book Characters" forum discussion, started 29 March 2006 on AllSpark.com website (http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4168; viewed 1 June 2007):
post Mar 29 2006, 08:38 AM
I found this great resource entirely by accident:
post Mar 13 2007, 06:17 PM
...Knew Moon Knight was Jewish...
The Question and Rorschach, Objectivist. Heh.
The Power Pack being Mormon doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
From: "Here, God exists in Four Colors and Two Dimensions", posted 7 March 2006 by grabbingsand on Metafilter website (http://www.metafilter.com/49827/Here-God-exists-in-Four-Colors-and-Two-Dimensions; viewed 11 June 2007):
Jimmy Olsen is a Lutheran. Really. And Clark Kent? Methodist, it seems. Daredevil, Gambit, Huntress and The Punisher? Catholics, all of them, though I have to wonder when Frank Castle last went to Confession. With about half of DC Comic's line-up heading to church in the latest issue of Infinite Crisis and knowing that Civil War is imminent in the House of Marvel, what better time than now to contemplate the particular faiths of our two-dimensional heroes.
What the...? No Moonknight? C'mon - the guy's dad was a rabbi.
posted by Amanojaku at 1:53 PM on March 7
And Amanojaku, Moon Knight was on the page, listed as "Egyptian classical religion; Jewish."
posted by kyrademon at 2:37 PM on March 7
From: "Superman Was Jewish?" forum discussion, started 6 July 2006 on "Superhero Hype!" website (http://forums.superherohype.com/archive/index.php/t-241110.html):
07-10-2006, 08:42 AM
Nah, I don't think the Man of Steel either is or was intended to be Jewish per se... there aren't that many Jewish superheroes running around. (The Thing, Shadowcat, Moon Knight and Doc Samson all spring to mind), far fewer than say, African-American, Hispanic or Oriental!
From: "The Religious Affiliation of Comic Book Characters" forum discussion, started 27 June 2007 on "City of Heroes" website (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8576731; viewed 6 July 2007):
06/27/07 02:31 PM
The Religious Affiliation of Comic Book Characters [link to: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8576731]
Know what's wierd? Many of the characters mentioned ARE gods, yet have religions listed for them. Moon Knight is the earthly avatar of Khonshu, Thor, Hercules, et al are full-on gods, and bunches of others have personally met god/gods, which makes the subject of "faith" moot (you can't have "faith" in what you know for fact, granted, you can still carry the belief system from a religion, but you could just as easily come up with independant beliefs after having met God).
From: "Need Help With A Research Project" forum discussion, started 9 December 2005 on the "Comic Bloc" website (http://www.comicbloc.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-16070.html; viewed 6 August 2007):
December 13th, 2005, 10:57 PM
In relation to question 6: as a Jewish comic book reader, I look around a great deal for any sign of Jewish stuff in comics. It's a habit. Things like the upcoming Sgt. Rock mini about rescuing the rabbi in Eastern Europe are few and far between. Interestingly, the three highest profile Jewish characters at Marvel--Kitty Pryde, the Thing and Moon Knight--have a mini-series, an ongoing and an upcoming ongoing, respectively. On the DC side, Ragman is in the Shadowpact ongoing, but otherwise, Atom Smasher is in jail and... that's it. No one's heard from Seraph and Hayoth for years, and I think I'm the only person that considers Black Canary to actually be Jewish (I have my reasons). Atom Smasher could become a player in OYL considering his current imprisoned status and his apparent recruitment by Amanda Waller.
As for Jewish themes in writing, the legend of the Golem has influenced a number of characters, most notably Marvel's Thing.
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