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villain who took control of HYDRA and the Hand
and fought S.H.I.E.L.D. and Wolverine
From: "The New Improved Official Stupid Question Thread Marvel Edition" forum discussion, started 3 July 2004 on "Superhero Hype" website (http://forums.superherohype.com/archive/index.php/t-124699-p-15.html; viewed 11 August 2007):
07-24-2007, 11:01 AM
I recall an issue of Wolverine where it was said that in the Marvel Universe, the existence of god had been, beyond a shadow of a doubt, scientifically proven through some sort of mathematical equasion. So, wouldn't that mean that there are no athiests in the MU anymore?
07-24-2007, 11:02 AM
Do you know of any absolutely proven atheists in the Marvel universe?
07-24-2007, 11:05 AM
re: "Do you know of any absolutely proven atheists in the Marvel universe?"
Hmm. Well, obviously the old Communist villains from the 60s would be. Other than that, no.
07-24-2007, 11:42 AM
Is that in reference to the FF story where they met God, and He was Jack Kirby?
07-24-2007, 11:44 AM
No. Wolverine was just tracking some crazy super genius terrorist and, giving an example of the guy's genuis, mentioned that he had come up with a mathematical equation that proved the existence of God.
07-24-2007, 11:46 AM
It's possible that there are still atheists in the Marvel universe because people didn't believe him. After all, "crazy super genius terrorist" isn't exactly the kinds of descriptors I look for in an unimpeachable source.
07-24-2007, 11:47 AM
07-24-2007, 03:40 PM
There was an issue of Guardians of the Galaxy where the Beyonder was talking to a couple of other cosmics unfamiliar to me. They were talking about higher order beings in multiple echelons above what they knew. This would seem to prove conclusively that God does not exist in the MU. I don't remember it very well since I only glanced at it in the store and could not fit it in my budget at the time.
07-24-2007, 05:11 PM
Oh, God most definitely exists in the MU [Marvel Universe]. I was just asking if the bit in Wolverine where it was said that it had been scientifically proven on Earth was widly known or accepted, and how much it effected the MU.
07-24-2007, 07:05 PM
There are so many cosmic beings and forces of nature personified, that just like outside of comics, it would be impossible to prove God's existence.
07-24-2007, 07:46 PM
It would be impossible to mathematically prove much of anything in the MU because no matter what you did there are a couple of dozen entities already revealed who have enough control over reality to make the proof invalid even if the math was correct. Entities in the MU play with the fundamental nature of reality too much.
07-24-2007, 10:45 PM
Word. Except for, you know, when the FF go to Heaven and meet God. And He's Jack Kirby. ;)
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