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The Religious Affiliation of Comic Book Character
Piotr Nikolaievitch Rasputin
Colossus
of the X-Men


Below: Colossus is such a Communist that he even swears in the name of Lenin. "By Lenin" constitutes profanity for him.
Colossus swears in the name of Lenin
[Source: Classic X-Men #21 (May 1988), backup story titled "First Love", written by Chris Claremont, illustrated by John Bolton, page 11; reprinted in X-Men Vignettes Vol. 2 trade paperback, Marvel Entertainment Group: New York City (2005), page 106.]
Piotr Rasputin, better known as "Colossus," is a member of the mutant superhero team known as the X-Men, who are among the most popular characters in comics history, and whose stories are told in a number of comic book series published by Marvel Comics.

Colossus was raised as a Communist atheist in the Soviet Union.

In the "Age of Apocalypse" alternative timeline, Colossus was a practicing Russian Orthodox Christian.

In Uncanny X-Men Annual #4, the X-Men were in a place modelled after the Hell depicted in Dante's Inferno, and Colossus said, "If believing in your god, Nightcrawler, means accepting the existence of this place, I am now glad I was raised an atheist." Colossus has also identified himself as an atheist in Excalibur #71 and early issues of the "New X-Men" stories in Uncanny X-Men.

Colossus thinks about religious people back home Left: Colossus, in contemplating the "religious ceremony" that two women of the Savage Land's Fall People are taking him to participate in, thinks about those who follow "religious ways" back home where he grew up in Russia. Colossus grew up in the Soviet Union during a time when traditional religious expression was forcefully suppressed and replaced with Communism. Colussus here explicitly refers to the "religious" people as other than himself, one of many indicators that he considers himself "non-religious."

[Source: Classic X-Men #21 (May 1988), backup story titled "First Love ", written by Chris Claremont, illustrated by John Bolton, page 8; reprinted in X-Men Vignettes Vol. 2 trade paperback, Marvel Entertainment Group: New York City (2005), page 103.]

Below: Wolverine: Some things have to be taken on faith.

[Source: House of M: The Day After, published by Marvel Comics Group (2005), page 34; reprinted in X-Men: The Day After trade paperback (2006); written by Chris Claremont, pencilled by Randy Green and Aaron Lopresti, inked by Rob Hunter, Norm Rapmund and Don Hillsman III.]
Colossus and Wolverine contemplate the afterlife

Below: Not long after coming back from the dead, Colossus and Wolverine talk about coming back from the dead. This scene shows that Wolverine is contemplative, or at least somewhat curious, about the "afterlife," at least inasmuch as the deaths and returns of Colossus and Psylocke might tell him something. Wolverine has not made up his mind about what he thinks the afterlife will be like. He is more of a "skeptical seeker" than somebody who has embraced a particular answer or belief set.

When the typically more philosophical Colossus turns the tables slightly and asks Wolverine why he now lives yet his sister is still dead, Wolverine isn't about to answer. Wolverine may be "the best he is at what he does," but answering deep philosophical questions about life and death is not what he does.

[Source: House of M: The Day After, published by Marvel Comics Group (2005), page 34; reprinted in X-Men: The Day After trade paperback (2006); written by Chris Claremont, pencilled by Randy Green and Aaron Lopresti, inked by Rob Hunter, Norm Rapmund and Don Hillsman III.]
Colossus and Wolverine contemplate the afterlife

Text from scene above, which takes place the day after "M-Day," the day when the Scarlet Witch's power caused most of the world's mutant population to be de-powered and turned into normal humans instead of mutants. From House of M: The Day After, published by Marvel Comics Group (2005), pages 33-34; reprinted in X-Men: The Day After trade paperback (2006); written by Chris Claremont, pencilled by Randy Green and Aaron Lopresti, inked by Rob Hunter, Norm Rapmund and Don Hillsman III:

Colossus: How many students are left, Logan?

Wolverine: Not a lot. Thirty, maybe. Y'know, Petey -- Magneto, Apocalypse, Sinister, Sublime, even Cassandra Nova -- at their worst, none of 'em ever hurt us as badly as this.

Colossus: What is wrong, tovarisch [Russian for: "friend"]?

Wolverine: Just feelin' my age. Usedta be, my life was a mystery. What I wanted more'n anything, was t' know what I missed.

Colossus: Be careful what you wish for.

Wolverine: Yup.

Colossus: It's been ages since I sketched you . . .

Wolverine: Some other time.

Colossus: I brought beer.

Wolverine: What the hell.

Colossus: So much has changed since I've been gone. I fell like I've been standing still.

Wolverine: You an' Psylocke both, back from the dead. Ever think to compare notes?

Colossus: For her, that transition was instantaneous. For me . . . day after endless day of torment.

Wolverine: You look like you're coping.

Colossus: Tell me, Logan. Why am I alive and not my sister? Why do I have my powers, when so many others have lost theirs?

Wolverine: How the hell should I know?

Colossus: Our cause seemed so simple when Professor Xavier explained it. And so . . . just. Good guys and bad guys, who can argue with that? I remember when we fought Proteus, who could turn the world to clay and twist it as he pleased. We found a way to win. I found a way to destroy him.

Wolverine: What's yer point?

Colossus: I want to hit someone. I want to fight. But how can you fight something like this?

Wolverine: Some things have to be taken on faith.

Colossus: And when that faith is lost?

Wolverine: Still workin' on that one.

Discussion

From: "Who is your religious superhero" discussion board, started 14 March 2006, on "Ship of Fools: The Magazine of Christian Unrest" website (http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=006489; viewed 24 April 2006):
cometchaser
Posted 21 March, 2006 19:26

Where is Colossus? and whatever his sister's name is? ...since they are Russian, they should be Orthodox. But I also remember Colossus attending an Orthodox church at one point...

From: "Stuart Moore's A Thousand Flowers: O Deadly Night" forum discussion, started 2 December 2003 on Newsarama website (http://forum.newsarama.com/archive/index.php/t-6949.html; viewed 28 June 2007):

ramberk
12-04-2003, 05:27 AM

Another... equally sappy-holiday-esque story is Uncanny X-Men #308 and #309. In 308, the X-Men have a good old fashioned Thanksgiving dinner...

Okay, one last issue. Uncanny X-Men #365. Just an honorable mention. It is a Christmas/holiday story. About Colossus and Magik (er - her ghost?) and presents. And all of that. I oughta dig it up.

From: "Religious Beliefs of Marvel Characters" discussion board started 20 October 2004 on Comic-Forum.com website (http://www.comic-forum.com/marvel/Religious_beliefs_of_Marvel_characters_397905.html; viewed 8 June 2006):
Date: 22 Oct 2004 14:06:41
From: Del

Out of interest, are there any comic characters, mainstream or otherwise, that are unbelievers? And if so, how do they tend to be depicted?


Date: 23 Oct 2004 14:13:24
From: Jim T.

Colossus is a self-proclaimed atheist. He said that because he grew up in Soviet Russia, which was officialy atheist, he too was atheist.


Date: 23 Oct 2004 16:57:34
From: Ken Arromdee

Colossus was an atheist. It wasn't treated negatively, but it did seem like it was just thrown in there to be multicultural, since he was from the USSR. It had as much connection to real atheism as his phrase "Lenin's Ghost" has to real Russian slang.

From: "The religions of comic book characters" thread started 10 February 2001 on rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe newsgroup (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe/browse_thread/thread/13590fda80c5d6e1/e5e0b094ced80f0b; viewed 12 June 2006):
From: Terry McCombs
Date: Sat, Feb 10 2001 6:35 pm

For the most part you don't get much of an idea as to the private lives of most comic book characters. Marvelish soap opera not withstanding.

What I mean is you don't get much of an idea what their politics or religion might be. This is sensible enough I guess as they don't want to offend any of their customers... for the most part you just can't really say just what, if any religion or personal philosophy that or that comic character might follow.

What do you think?


From: Menshevik
Date: Sun, Feb 11 2001 6:05 am

...As far as Marvel is concerned, there are a few characters where you do: ...Religious issues did show up quite a bit in the X-Men, with Catholics Nightcrawler and Gambit, the Native American heritage of Moonstar and Forge, the rather hazy goddess apparently worshipped by Storm, Wolfsbane's Scottish Presbyterianism, Cannonball's not specified church (not exactly specified, but Protestant and possibly verging or belonging to a fundamentalist denomination), and Kitty Pryde's very secularized Judaism. Colossus was, judging by some of his conversations with Kurt, raised as a well-behaved Communisit atheist, and Wolverine is a proudly-proclaimed agnostic.

From: "Religion of the X-Men" message board started 15 May 2005 on Comic Book Resources website (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/archive/index.php/t-58362.html; viewed 13 June 2006):
Emerald Ghost
05-15-2005, 05:56 PM

Do you ever wonder what religion an X-Man is? I know they are just characters, but still, just for the fun of it.

I am wondering if you could guess their religion by their character, or what they've said, etc.


Archer
05-15-2005, 06:02 PM

...I vaguely remember reading that Colossus is Russian Orthodox, but I'm not sure...


The Lucky One
05-15-2005, 07:38 PM

...As for [other] characters...
Colossus, Magik - atheist (or now perhaps simply agnostic)...

From: "Religion and X-Men" thread started 21 July 1998 on rec.arts.comics.marvel.xbooks newsgroup (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.comics.marvel.xbooks/browse_thread/thread/b61ff5d2e422d0a5/1ebe80a26a7df2e5; viewed 13 June 2006):
From: Alan D. Earhart
Date: Tues, Jul 21 1998 12:00 am

Some of the recent discussion got me thinking about this once again.

When has religion been used as a plot device in an xbook? [i.e., a comic book series related to the X-Men]

Others?


From: AGr3691541
Date: Wed, Jul 22 1998 12:00 am

Well there's a really early annual where Nightcrawlers adopted mother tries to get revenge on him, and ends up sending the X-men to Hell. There's a scene where, looking at all the tortured souls Colossus points out that he is glad that he is an atheist, he couldn't believe in any religion htat would sanction such cruelty. Nightcrawler replies that there is an opposite Heaven and that those in Hell deserve their fate...

From: "(OFFTOPIC) Sleepwalker and a RANT!" thread started 9 April 1996 on rec.arts.comics.marvel.xbooks newsgroup (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.comics.marvel.xbooks/browse_thread/thread/530027d02cbeb884/7c688dd20f2f433c; viewed 13 June 2006):
From: Brian
Date: Wed, Apr 10 1996 12:00 am

Say, this [religious affiliations of the X-Men] would be a neat thread. My memory doesn't really remember a lot of the X-Men having stated a religion. Kitty's Jewish, and Scott and Jean were married (I think) in a Catholic ceremony, and Collossus, being Russian, is probably Greek Orthodox, but where does that leave the rest of the team? Anyone know any issues where a X-Member professed his/her religion?


From: Katharine Weizel
Date: Wed, Apr 10 1996 12:00 am

And, uh, wouldn't Colossus be Russian Orthodox if he was in a branch of Eastern Christianity?


From: Blase Martin Louis
Date: Thurs, Apr 11 1996 12:00 am

More likely, Colossus is atheist, having been raised Communist.


From: The Man with the Golden Gun
Date: Thurs, Apr 11 1996 12:00 am

Actually, I believe, at least at the time of his joining [the X-Men], Colossus was an atheist.


From: Brian
Date: Thurs, Apr 11 1996 12:00 am

re: "...wouldn't Colossus be Russian Orthodox...?"

Um, actually, no. I was always told that all Eastern Christianity was referred to as "Greek Orthodox." Something to do with its roots in the Greek Byzantine Empire. But since several people have pointed out that Colossuss pretty much flat-out said he was atheist, I guess it makes the point rather moot.


From: Sarah Anne Yost
Date: Fri, Apr 12 1996 12:00 am

Colossus is atheist, that's why he says "by the white wolf" instead of religious exclamations, I think. Wolvie doesn't believe in what he can't see or touch or cut (see the Brood saga). Nightcrawler is Christian of some sort.


From: Jacob W Michaels
Date: Sun, Apr 14 1996 12:00 am

Boszhe Moi, which Colossus used to say quite often, means "My God" in Russkie.


From: Sarah Anne Yost
Date: Mon, Apr 15 1996 12:00 am

Hmmm. I'd totally forgotten about that. I still think he's atheist, though. He [Colossus] was such a "good little follower of the Soviet state", which demanded atheism. Plus I believe he stated that at the very end of "Fatal Attractions" (the Excalibur issue). He said something to Xavier like "When I came to you, I was an atheist, I had no faith in anything. You gave me something to believe in, and I will always be grateful for that". I'm not sure the "didn't believe in anything" fits his early character, but that's the way I remember what was said.


From: rcoakley
Date: Mon, Apr 15 1996 12:00 am

He also often said "Lenin's Ghost!"

I think for most of his life Peter believed in two things: the Communist party and his little sister Illyana. I even understand Peter felt like a real rat for not using his mutant powers to help Russia, something covered in a Classic X-Men back-up story. Colossus did say during Fatal Attractions that Xavier's Dream made him part of a "greater whole," something that was important to him.

From: "X-Men religious affiliations" thread started 1 June 2002 on rec.arts.comics.marvel.xbooks newsgroup (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.comics.marvel.xbooks/browse_thread/thread/78e6830d00083d2f/102a03cd2dab9fda; viewed 13 June 2006):
From: Chris Dodson
Date: Sat, Jun 1 2002 9:38 pm

I'm looking for information on the religious beliefs of all the current X-Men for a story I'm submitting to Marvel. The only one I know for sure is Nightcrawler (Catholic). I get the impression that Wolverine is an atheist or agnostic, but I have no in-comic evidence to support this. Any help you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated. Also, in your responses, could you provide titles and issue numbers of the comics in which the information is stated? Thanks.


From: Brian Doyle
Date: Sun, Jun 2 2002 8:28 am

...Colossus - As a good member of the USSR, probably agnostic...


From: Justin Samuels
Date: Sun, Jun 2 2002 3:12 pm

The USSR fell long after Colossus's death, and it never wiped out all religion. In AOA [Age of Apocalypse] Colossus was refered to as Russian Orthodox Christian.


From: Brian Doyle
Date: Sun, Jun 2 2002 4:27 pm

re: "The USSR fell long after Colossus's death"

Ummm... Huh? Colossus died last year. The UUSR fell long BEFORE his death, but was still active when he was recruited (I know, shifting the timeline to play catch-up with real events now makes that unlikely, but we play the hand we're dealt)

re: "and it never wiped out all religion"

No, but Piotr was shown as being a good communist working down on the collective, and, in order to remain a good communist, would probably not have been raised with much of a religious background.

Certainly he was never (in any title I read) heard to utter an oath involving a deity, which most others would or did. "By the White Wolf" is a cultural reference I never did work out, but I'm guessing it's not religious.

re: "In AOA Colossus was refered to as Russian Orthodox Christian."

AoA can hardly be viewed as being the mainstream.


From: Justin Samuels
Date: Mon, Jun 3 2002 11:30 am

The Russian Orthodox church remained fairly strong under Communism and came back with a vengegance after the fall.

re: "In AOA Colossus was refered to as Russian Orthodox Christian."

re: "AoA can hardly be viewed as being the mainstream."

No, but it meant the writers keeping up with the times. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, people in the former Soviet Union found their old religions, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism.


From: EBailey140
Date: Fri, Jun 7 2002 5:47 am

Since AoA [Age of Apocalypse] spun off from the mainstream Marvel Universe, there's no reason not to accept Piotr was brought up Orthodox.


From: Justin Samuels
Date: Sat, Jun 8 2002 2:44 pm

The point of divergence [when the Age of Apocalypse timeline diverged from mainstream continuity] occurred after Piotr was born.


From: Menshevik
Date: Fri, Jul 5 2002 1:13 am

re: "That isn't artistic license, as in the cultures the writers knew more about, they gave them [the X-Men] more accurate belief systems."

That's a laugh. You mean as in Colossus, who kept invoking the White Wolf and Lenin's ghost? What the hell was that all about?


From: BlakGard
Date: Fri, Jul 5 2002 5:49 am

Well, honestly, neither are truly religious invocations. They are both very real idioms in Russia.


From: Menshevik
Date: Fri, Jul 5 2002 12:41 pm

re: "They are both very real idioms in Russia."

Are they? None of the Russians I know use them, and I don't recall coming across them anywhere but in X-Men.

I don't know if "by the White Wolf" is supposed to be religious or not (it could have been meant as a ref. to some Siberian animist religion for all I know). "Lenin's ghost" really sounds like a mix of Communism and superstition.


From: Justin Samuels
Date: Fri, Jul 5 2002 8:03 am

Colossus was looking for an Orthodox Priest in AOA, and one of his exclamtions, Boizhe Moi, means my God. So he is Christian.


From: Brian Doyle
Date: Fri, Jul 5 2002 9:21 am

That's why it's called an "alternate timeline" Justin. Things didn't happen the way they did in the main MU [Marvel Universe]. With Apocalypse in power, who knows how the sociopolitical structure of the Communist controlled Soviet Union was structured?


From: Paul O'Brien
Date: Fri, Jul 5 2002 12:39 pm

re: "...Colossus, who kept invoking the White Wolf and Lenin's ghost? What the hell was that all about?"

Well, it's a slightly heavy-handed attempt to get over the fact that he's raised as a good little Communist. I think he's been stated as an atheist, but it would be the natural reading from his Communist upbringing.

I always liked the joke in Colossus' powers and nationality, though. Much subtler.


From: Menshevik
Date: Fri, Jul 5 2002 1:33 pm

"Bozhe moy" means "my God" (or "my god") and is a commonly used expression that does not necessarily mean that the person who uses it believes in God or a god or that he is Christian, Jewish or Muslim.

The Colossus of the main timeline was written as an atheist (cf. UXM Annual #4 (I think), where the X-Men are transported into a facsimile of Dante's hell).


From: Brian Doyle
Date: Fri, Jul 5 2002 2:12 pm

I thought that Stalin was sometimes refered to as the White Wolf by the people. Probably completely doolally there though.


From: BlakGard
Date: Mon, Jul 8 2002 9:24 am

re: ""by the White Wolf"

More than likely, it's a reference to the legendary Slavic hero, Volh, who was basically a werewolf and typically was shown to be white. It could also be some kind of reference to the old tale of Ivan Tsarevich. Typically, it's depicted as a grey wolf, but the Russian grey wolf is also called a white wolf. It's hard to say, exactly, due to the preponderance of wolves in Russian myth and folklore. In any case, the idiom is still used by many Siberians and southern Slavs.

re: "'Lenin's ghost' really sounds like a mix of Communism and superstition"

And you'd right. Russians are among the most superstitious people on the planet. Many even still believe that vampires and werewolves are real.

"Lenin's Ghost" was also frequently uttered by Chekov in Star Trek, and by quite a few Russian presidents. Putin has also been known to invoke "Stalin's Ghost" in speeches, which is truly scary. It's typically used when swearing, kind of like "I swear on my mother's grave/life," which is quite different from the way Piotr used it.

From: "Up, up, and oy, vey!", posted 5 February 2006 on MetaFilter.com website (http://www.metafilter.com/39326/Up-up-and-oy-vey; viewed 19 June 2007):

...By the way, Marvel apparently recognized early on that its original books had been too whitebread. All five of the original X-Men [Cyclops, Iceman, the Beast, Angel and Jean Grey/Marvel Girl] were WASPs ["White Anglo-Saxon Protestants"], but when they revived the book in the 1970's, the new team members (Havok, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Storm, Wolverine, Thunderbird, Banshee and Sunfire) were WASP, German Catholic, African Pagan, Canadian, Native American, Irish Catholic, and Japanese, respectively...

posted by Asparagirl at 8:14 PM on February 5


Oops, forgot to list Russian Atheist in that list - sorry, Colossus.

posted by Asparagirl at 8:15 PM on February 5

From: "What Religion is Your Favorite Superhero?" discussion board started 20 April 2006 on official website of DC Comics (http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000072337&start=15&tstart=0; viewed 8 May 2006):

regularguy
Posted: Apr 24, 2006 3:31 AM

re: "Wow, if Superman is Methodist, it gives you new respect for the religion"

Er . . . why? He's heroic, sure, but is he more heroic than Batman or Colossus or Mister Terrific or Starman, who don't really believe in any religion? More heroic than Wonder Woman, who venerates the Greek gods? More heroic than Catholics like Doctor Mid-Nite, or Buddhists like Green Arrow?

...Not trying to be argumentative, just scratching my head . . .

From: "Superheroes and religion", posted 14 June 2006 on "On Christopher Street" blog website (http://somacandra.livejournal.com/410090.html; viewed 16 June 2006):

[reader comments:]

From: mysanal
Date: June 16th, 2006 11:31 pm (UTC)

...Religion was often touched on in comics, but when Chris Claremont took over the X-Men in the 1980's, he made the characters regiously diverse as well as ethnically diverse. I think Shadowcat and Nightcrawler were the first characters to have specific religious affiliations. (BTW, Colossus, being originally from Communist USSR, is officially an atheist.)

From: "Religion of comic book characters" forum discussion started 17 March 2006 in "Media & Popular Culture" section on "IIDB General Discussion Forums" website (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-158938.html; viewed 10 May 2007):

fando
March 17, 2006, 09:54 PM

This might be old, but I found it interesting,

http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/comic_book_religion.html

Supervillains tend to be atheists, superheroes tend to be theist...


DaninGraniteCity
March 18, 2006, 09:15 AM

Hey, we [atheists] have Colossus and quite possibly the Hulk too. :cool:


DaninGraniteCity
March 18, 2006, 09:30 AM

Damnit, it looks like Colossus actually defected to Magneto in like 1992 or something. Boooo!


IRON MAN
March 18, 2006, 09:33 AM

Well he is a Russian. Defection becomes a habit I guess. ;)

I like Colossus though, a cool character who doesn't get enough air-time.


DaninGraniteCity
March 18, 2006, 09:46 AM

...Oh, and Colossus actually left Magneto after a short time. Yay!


Underseer
March 18, 2006, 10:48 AM

"Communist atheist"? [referring to how Colossus was listed at the time.]

Since when did Communism become a religion?


atonal chaotic
March 18, 2006, 11:43 AM

Since when was Communism not a religion?

From: "What are the religious beliefs of the main mutants in the X-Books?" forum discussion started 16 January 2007 on "Comic Book Resources" website (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/archive/index.php/t-160293.html; viewed 16 May 2007):

01-16-2007, 03:51 PM
What do you think the religious beliefs of the following mutants are?


Papa Moai
01-17-2007, 05:33 AM

Character's religious beliefs aren't really mentioned that often... Colossus was raised as an atheist.


Arilou
01-17-2007, 05:45 AM

Colossus is an atheist, if I recall correctly.

From: "Is Batman an atheist or is he just not very religious?" forum discussion started 2 April 2007 on "Toon Zone" website (http://forums.toonzone.net/archive/index.php/t-187589.html; viewed 21 May 2007):

Eddie G.
04-03-2007, 09:56 AM

Well, he [Batman] is a scientist and tackles life in a very logical way to nearly a fault. So, I would say that while he probably accepts the existence of one, or more higher beings as evident from his personal experience, he wouldn't be one for believing in a God based on scripture and faith alone. Of course there is no right answer and never will be, he can be what ever religion you want him to be.

Colossus and Wolverine are Atheists though...

From: "How many Atheist superheroes/heroines are there?" forum discussion, started 20 May 2007 on Newsarama website (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=3716053; viewed 24 May 2007):

05-20-2007, 06:23 AM
JoeZhang

How many Atheist superheroes/heroines are there?

Tony Stark - who else?


05-20-2007, 06:24 AM
Marchie77

...When did Stark state he was an atheist...?


05-20-2007, 07:04 AM
Shaoken

Actually he's Christian. He says the "Our Father" in Iron Man #14 before he shuts down Hogan's life support systems.

Oh, and Colossus. It's been mentioned that.

From: "What if ShadowCat and Colossus were... [married in the 616 Marvel U?]" forum discussion, started 24 April 2006 on "Comic Book Resources" website (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=121205; viewed 30 May 2007):

[http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=121205&page=3]

04-25-2006, 05:47 PM
LoneWolf21

...Now would it be a Catholic or Jewish ceremony?


04-25-2006, 05:53 PM
Amokitty

Since it's never been stated that Peter belongs to the Russian Orthodox church, and it's been implied that he had an Atheist upbringing - we're DEFINITELY looking at a Jewish ceremony here. Peter would look great in a yarmulke! L'Chaim!!


04-26-2006, 01:43 AM
Rachel Grey

I'll have to go back and re-read the TPB but I'm pretty sure that DPS outright stated that Petey was raised an atheist.


04-26-2006, 09:53 AM
Amokitty

You're right. I just reread Uncanny Annual #4, and Peter does indeed state that he was raised Atheist. Of course that doesn't mean that he doesn't have some sort of belief in God presently. Whedon seems to think that Peter believes in God and the hereafter anyways....


[http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=121205&page=5]

04-30-2006, 09:14 AM
scapebabe

This [blogger's posted self-made illustration imagining the wedding of Colossus and Kitty Pryde] is pretty and all, but isn't Kitty Jewish and Piotr an atheist? Kitty would get married under a chuppah, or if she wanted to compromise for Piotr, they'd more likely have a civil ceremony. Just sayin'. I am admittedly a detail nut.


04-30-2006, 06:45 PM
Kirayoshi

Nice pic, Gloveman. One quibble: why the cross on the podium? Kitty's Jewish, Piotr's usually depicted as an athiest/agonstic(although sometimes I more likely suspect he's a non-demoninational deist), there should be a Star of David on the cloth. Any wedding between these two should be a traditional Jewish wedding, complete with veil over Kitty's face and Piotr breaking the glass under his heel.

From: "Religious Affiliation of Comic Book Characters (Doug Ramsey Fans, please help)" forum discussion, started 17 October 2006 on Newsarama website (http://forum.newsarama.com/archive/index.php/t-87949.html; viewed 20 June 2007):

LucasSiegel
10-18-2006, 02:10 PM

Cool site, JMarsh, thanks for linking that. Of course, I'm surprised when people say they only knew one or two... Kitty Pryde is the most famous Super-Jew I know of.


Kid Doozer
10-18-2006, 02:12 PM

Remember when she defeated Dracula with her Jewishness? Cause I do.

And it was awesome.


nolanjwerner
10-18-2006, 02:16 PM

I remember she went totally JAPpy [Jewish American Princess] on him.

Actually, thats the coolest scene ever. I so want to write that.

And yet, conversely, I also want to write a story where she questions her Jewish faith and becomes a cultural Jew.


Kid Doozer
10-18-2006, 02:19 PM

And registers on JDate.com


nolanjwerner
10-18-2006, 02:21 PM

No, then we have an interfaith relationship storyline.

Imagine what a strong image it would be to have her throw away her incredible disappearing Star of David necklace.


JMarsh642
10-18-2006, 02:22 PM

She's already dating someone [Colossus] who grew up in Russia - most likely without any religious background.


nolanjwerner
10-18-2006, 02:24 PM

Honestly, his character [Colossus] is about to need a major change.

He'll either have to get A LOT older or his Soviet background will end up heavily revised.


Xgirl1251
10-18-2006, 02:46 PM

The [Adherents.com] site reports Piotr as an atheist, which I think is very odd. I would imagine that Russian characters would more likely be Greek Orthodox, than atheist.


nolanjwerner
10-18-2006, 02:48 PM

Russian Orthodox.


JMarsh642
10-18-2006, 02:50 PM

I think they're referring to atheism due to Communist Russia.


nolanjwerner
10-18-2006, 02:51 PM

Its been almost 15 years.

Even assuming he is 30 (which is older then they usually make him out to be now), he was still relatively young when the USSR fell apart.

I don't think they're [i.e., the writers of Adherents.com, who classified Colossus as a former Communist atheist] using the sliding time scale. They're looking at when he was created - and I'm pretty sure the character made reference to this as well, in early Uncanny.

Without the sliding time scale, to have him as a full grown man when the Soviet Union fell in 1991, he would be fairly old at least in relation to the other X-Men.

If he were 18, he would be 33 now.
If he were 21, he would be 36 now.
If he were 25, he would be 40 now.


Xgirl1251
10-18-2006, 03:38 PM

How long was he "dead"? A couple years?


nolanjwerner
10-18-2006, 03:41 PM

re: How long was he "dead"? A couple years?

We're still talking about a guy who would have been one of the oldest X-Men.

Other then Wolverine, who is just in his own category because of weird continuity stuff.

From: "Jews and Catholics rule" forum discussion, started 9 July 2006 on "Pop Culture Shock" website (http://www.popcultureshock.com/pcs/forums/showthread.php?t=13549; viewed 28 June 2007):

07-09-2006, 09:18 PM
Magneto X

Default Jews and Catholics rule. [By this, the poster means that Catholics and Jews have the most representation among comic book superheroes.]

The Mormons are rocking out too!

(Fastest growing religion though, I hear, so I guess they deserve the reppin [i.e., representation].)

But the Muslims (22% of the world), the Hindu (15% of the world), the Sikhs ( totally typecast as supporting characters only!), Confucianists (7% of the planet), (and Athiests/Agnostics (17% of the world and growing fast!) all get the raw deal from comics:
http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/comic_collage.html

Fascinating stuff!

Also be sure to check out the individual portraits. (i.e.: Superman is a Methodist but Lois is Catholic, Power Pack were all Mormons, Wolverine's a Buddhist, and Colossus, Booster Gold, and Iron Man are atheists. Their practices and more are described here:
http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/comic_book_religion.html

From: "The Religious Affiliation of Comic Book Characters" forum discussion, started 27 June 2007 on "City of Heroes" website (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8576731; viewed 6 July 2007):

Darc_Reign
06/27/07 02:31 PM

The Religious Affiliation of Comic Book Characters [link to: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8576731]

My Local newsradio station pointed this site out.

Let the battle begin.


BrasswireBrush
06/27/07 03:13 PM

I think it's interesting and something that doesn't get talked about enough. But then I don't generally see alot of good debate and discussion in most comics anyway.

I can remember growing up and really loving some of the dialogue about religion that used to occur in X-Men. Between Nightcrawler (devout Catholic), Wolverine (Agnostic), and Colossus (Communist/Athiest) there was usually about a page of decent back and forth every few issues.

Despite the name of the page in the following source, it is not clear how "authoritative" this source is. This appears to be simply the viewpoint of one dedicated comic book fan. From: Jim Trabold, "Ultimate Marvel Handbook #19: (174)", posted 21 July 2006 in "Comics Nexus" section of "Inside Pulse" website (http://www.insidepulse.com/article_v3.php?contentid=49881; viewed 17 July 2007):

Hello everyone I'm Jim Trabold welcome to the Ultimate Marvel Handbook.

Hey Daron how are you today bud?

I'm pretty good. I'm curious though if anyone reading this column doesn't know who you are? I just find it interesting that you introduce yourself every week. I wonder if you're trying to reach the same mythic "new" readers that the comic industry is always preaching about.

I'm good. I'm missing out on SDCC but I'll make up for it next year. I still plan on reading the news and all coming from the con though. Can't wait for WW Chicago now.

Oh sure, you're gonna go to Chicago this year, and I can't make it.

Yeah that's enough con talk for now lol. Let's start.

[Question] 18 - I know that in DC, Batman (rumored), Atom, Starman, Booster Gold and Mr. Terrific are atheists, besides Wolverine and Hulk who else in Marvel is also confirmed or considered as the same?

[Answer:] Wolverine and Hulk actually do have faith in religion in their own manors. Hulk would be Bruce's religion Catholic and Wolverine was for a while but now is Buddhist.

As for confirmed atheists:
Carnage
Colossus
Iron Man
Ms. Marvel
Mystique
Pete Wisdom
Quasar
Vivisector

From: "Comic book character religions" forum discussion, started 29 November 2005 on "Comic Book Resources" website (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/archive/index.php/t-94945.html; viewed 27 July 2007):

Brandon Hanvey
11-29-2005, 01:46 PM

I found this site via The Beat. It lists comic book characters and their religions.
http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/comic_book_religion.html


Mike Smash!
11-29-2005, 03:09 PM

This is a weird list.

"fundamentalist Environmentalist"?

That's not a religion. It says nothing of spiritual belief or non-belief.

And there is no difference spiritually between "atheist" and "Communist atheist", it's a political specification.

The person who did this is apparently just pulling stuff out of their a**.

From: "What is Professor X's Religion?" forum discussion, started 21 July 2007 on Yahoo Groups website (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ux-fans/message/6980; viewed 11 August 2007):

[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ux-fans/message/6984]

Duane / dualind
Jul 21, 2007 2:27 pm

...All the comments that were made about it got me thinking... Colosus I think claimed the atheistic slant of the Soviet Union he came from...


Daniela de DPX Comics / dpxcomics


Jul 21, 2007 2:40 pm

...Colossus is labeled a Communist Atheist, being raised in Communist Russia were all religious expression was supressed...


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